How did vatican (catholic church) suppress dissenters throughout history till the Protestant reformation?

How did vatican (catholic church) suppress dissenters throughout history till the Protestant reformation?

How did vatican (catholic church) suppress dissenters throughout history till the Protestant reformation?

slkusractMisty-United

<> Wow...you took my words out of context! I feel so honored! Here is the question I answered in which I made that statement: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index-... And here is the context in which it was used: "The fact the Church is s divine institution staffed by fallible human beings, only serves to glorify God more. Who else could have kept the Catholic Church one, holy, universal and apostolic for 2000 years? It must be of God." The Catholic Church condemned heresy and protected the Scriptures, the Deposit of Faith, and Christian doctrine for 2000 years. Dissension is wrong...if you are Catholic you should follow Church teaching. All Christians were Catholic for over 1500 years. ADDED: <> Yes. Heresy was a civil crime, being burned at the stake was an acceptable form of capital punishment then. While we don't agree today, that we should burn people at the stake, using a legal form of punishment by civil authorities for a civil crime, was not unheard of. ADDED: - I know what your question is. You took a statement I made in answer to another question, and then used it out of context to support a conclusion based on your misunderstanding of Catholicism. King David had a man killed so he could have his wife. Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister instead of his wife, Moses was kept from seeing the promised land because of his sin...my point was that even with fallible human beings, God is in charge. So the fact that people of the Church have not always done the right thing, does not undermine the truth of the Church. That was my point. Again look at the Bible. How did God punish dissenters? <> No. <> Again...no.What makes you think they had the power? It was not like that. You are inserting your assumptions into a society that existed and operated centuries ago. It doesn't work that way. The Church did not have the authority to tell the civil authorities they couldn't carry out their laws and punishments. This was the will of the people at that time. ADDED: - The Vatican doesn't "play" God...it's that whole "keys to the kingdom of heaven" and that whole "binding and loosing thing." You should read up on it. Matthew 16:18-19. I've tried to make it as simple as possible for you. The will of God is done through his Church, even when the people of the Church are not perfect, because it's God's Church.

slkusractCatholic

First off Matthew is a idiot and probably gets his knowledge from Jack Chic comics . St.Ignatius a disciple of John the Apostle wrote in 107 AD the word Catholic to describe the Church. As for dissenters they were usually given a opportunity to retract and if not were excommunicated and declared Heretics.

slkusract

Until the 13th century the official policy of the Church regarding heretics followed the teaching of St. Paul, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyprian of Carthage and other Fathers of the early Church, that heretics were to be permitted full religious liberty and were not to be harmed in any manner, other than exclusion from the Christian community. As St. Cyprian of Carthage wrote: "Of what use is cruelty? What has the rack to do with piety? Surely, there is no connection between truth and violence, justice and cruelty.... It is true that nothing is so important as religion, and one must defend it, but by dying for it, not by killing others- by long-suffering, not by violence- by faith, not by crime. If you attempt to defend religion with bloodshed and torture, what you do is not defense, but desecration and insult. For nothing is so intrinsically a matter of free will as religion." Beginning in the 13th century, however, the Albigensian heretics, against whom St. Dominic preached, had become emboldened not just to preach a non-Catholic doctrine, but overtly began, with aggression and hostility, to attack the Catholic Church, the Holy Mass, the Sacraments, and the doctrines of the Church as a whole. In addition, with anarchist tendencies, they began to undermine the moral basis of human society by subverting oaths, denying the right of the state to punish criminals, forbidding marriage and procreation, and encouraging suicide, especially by starvation. Therefore, the Papal Inquisition, a system of ecclesiastical courts for trying and punishing heresy, was established in 1230, with jurisdiction over Catholics and fallen-away Catholics only. These courts were commissioned to seek first the reformation of the heretics by warnings or slight penances, which most accepted. Their scrupulous rules of procedures protected the accused with more safeguards than defendants in modern courts receive today. Only relapsed or intransigent heretics were eventually found guilty and, as the ecclesiastical courts' authority ended there, were turned over to the state, which at that time considered heresy a crime of anarchy and high treason, undermining the state. The Papal Inquisition was revived in the 15th century to deal with false conversions of Jews and Mohammedans (the so-called conversos), and in the 16th century to deal with the virulent Protestant heresy that was sweeping Europe. Individual Protestants may have been sincerely religious, but Protestantism, as a movement, began as an instrument of greed and bloody tyranny in the hands of Martin Luther and others, which produced civil and international wars, enslaved the common people under the principle that their ruler might determine their religion by the principle "cuius regio, eius religio," and led directly to absolutist nationalism. "Et nolite timere eos qui occidunt corpus, animam autem non possunt occidere : sed potius timete eum, qui potest et animam et corpus perdere in gehennam."

slkusractWill

Until relatively recently, the Vatican could send armed, trained and experienced soldiers to enforce its edicts. Even after that power was taken, the Vatican could coerce local officials to use armed force to enforce the Church's will by threatening to excommunicate the offical(s). That would mean no salvation, and the unsophisticated louts that were the local power sincerely believed that the Church could keep them from being admitted into heaven. So yes, they'd send soldiers around to kick your butt if you were the target of the Church's wrath. Even today there are pockets of backwoods bozos who would stick a knife between your ribs if the Church told 'em to...it it right? Well, whadda ya think?

slkusractr

George John 'you' are misinformed................Modern historians have long known that the popular view of the Inquisition is a myth. Sadly most people are? just not willing to hear it. they are more comfortable believing in lies and propaganda and revisionist history. "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant. Pax vobis

slkusractMatthew

The RC Church developed in the 4th Century AD when under Constantine, pagans and Christians united and formed the Roman Catholic Church.

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